Tuesday, April 21, 2009

IMPORTANT: Grand Juries don't need Judicial approval -

Geez! This is so powerful and straight to the point. No kidding, Grand Juries have the power to subpoena!

Patriot Grand Jurors need look no further than Bill of Rights to find their Supreme Right to form Citizen Grand Juries with or without Judicial approval.

In the First Amendment, we the People are given the unalienable right "peaceably to assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

In the Ninth Amendment, it is unequivocally stated that, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

In the Tenth Amendment, it is clearly stated, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution...are reserved...to the people.

What does that mean in the context of the power of Citizen Grand Jurors?

Simply stated it means that Citizens can form Grand Juries with or without the consent of any branch of the Judiciary, Federal or State. Furthermore, it means that any and all Federal or State Rules or Laws of Criminal Procedure are unconstitutional to the extent that they limit the formation of Citizen Grand Juries to prior or post approval by any Branch of the Judiciary, Federal or State.

It gets better for the Power of the People over their Judiciary in the Eleventh Amendment, "The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one the United States by Citizen of another State..."

In reading the Eleventh Amendment as it pertains to Citizens Grand Juries, one must remember the legal context under which it was written. At the time of the ratification of the Eleventh Amendment, most Criminal prosecutions were commenced by Citizens utilizing the services of private Citizen Attorneys.

Seen in its true, original context, the Eleventh Amendment clearly states that Citizens can form Federal or State Grand Juries without interference by the Federal Government.

Furthermore, the Citizen Grand Juries can subpoena any and all of Barack Hussein Obama's personal records held in any State or Federal Government Office or Department and said Office or Department is compelled by the Supreme Law of the Land, Our Constitution, to produce said records for said Grand Juries.

Remember Patriots, the case against Barack Hussein Obama will be over in Discovery, therefore, let us commence with Our Discovery of the Truth regarding the suspect commonly known to us Citizens as Barack Hussein Obama of unknown Citizenship, Allegiance and Alliances.

"Leo the Lawyer"

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The subpoena will be issued to the entity that holds the records; State of Hawaii, Occidental, Columbia, Harvard, State Department, etc.

Of course Obama will challenge it. My advisors say don't worry because then it goes straight to SCOTUS upon Original Jurisdiction and the Patriots will win.

No questions about standing, No sanctions. No dismissals, Nada. Straight win in SCOTUS. We have the United States Constitution on our side and that is the Supreme Law of the Land.

45 comments:

Story Reports said...

I say do it! But I ask who will listen, what branch of government should we address? Should it be issued to Barack Obama or his attorney or who? Who will enforce the grand jury writ? Who will enforce the sobponea?? These are practical real questions. Do you have a practical real answer? I hope so. I do want this to work.

Bill

Aristotle The Hun said...

The subpoena will be issues to the entity that holds the records; State of Hawaii, Occidental, Columbia, Harvard,State Department, etc. Of course Obama will challenge it. My ad visors say don't worry because then it goes straight to SCOTUS upon Original Jurisdiction and the Patriots will win.

No questions about standing, No sanctions. No dismissals, Nada. Straight win in SCOTUS. We have the United States Constitution on our side and that is the Supreme Law of the Land.

Anonymous said...

Office of Secretary of State of Hawaii, Office of Attorney General of Hawaii, Office of the Governor of Hawaii.

Office of US Secretary of State, Office of US Secretary of Defense. Social Security Administration, Selective Service and IRS.

NOW HEAR THIS!

Do NOT issue INDICTMENTS for any of these Good Public Servants. All you ask for is the documents that you need for your Presentments.

Aristotle The Hun said...

Sobponeas are for documents. The indictment is for Obama.

These is no intention to do blanket indictments.

One attorney talked about such an illadvised option and is now paying for her foolishness.

What made you think otherwise?

sharonhr said...

Even if a CGJ issues a subpoena, what will compel the other party to honor it? Can't they just ignore it, especially because a prosecutor's signature will not be there?

Aristotle The Hun said...

The article answers that question. If an entity does not comply or if Obama tries to stop compliance it goes directly to the Supreme Court.

No questions about standing, No sanctions. No dismissals, Nada. Straight win in SCOTUS. We have the United States Constitution on our side and that is the Supreme Law of the Land.

Anonymous said...

Does SCOTUS then still have to have 4 justices willing to hear the case or is that bypassed as soon as there is non compliance with the first subpeona? Sorry for my ignorance of the Federal laws. I'm signed up for CG and cheering wildly from the sidelines. Nothing that has been submitted to SCOTUS has been taken seriously yet. Also, looking at my state constitution it says something to the effect that only a Superior court judge can appoint a grand jury. Would we first have to prove that unconstitutional at state level to proceed?

Aristotle The Hun said...

I am not a lawyer and the only reason I am not as confused as you seem to be is that the article you just read was written by one of the heavy hitter attorneys I am working with.

I have confidence that he is right. But, I also have confirmation of the correctness of his position from other sources.

Try these two links.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/judges-and-prosecutors-need-to-butt-out.html

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/pravda-publishes-mark-mcgrews-latest.html

The plan is to exercise one's constitutional rights, not ask the judges what those rights are. Decide and act and see if they can stop you.

A this stage (Grand Jury indictment) all decisions will go directly to the SCOTUS.

My lawyer buddies seem very sure of themselves about the American Grand Jury type of approach. The GA. Grand Jury was based on common law and the Magna Carta. American Grand Jury is based on the U S Constitution.

Another factor is that the lawyer involved in the GA grand jury isn't very well thought of by other attorneys or judges. That attorney has nothing to do with American Grand Jury.

Several people who serve on the AGJ were referred by that attorney but as Bob Campbell the founder of AGJ says: "this has NOTHING to do with Xinsert lawyers nameX"

Anonymous said...

Have a little Faith.

Have faith in the just Justices.

Have faith in Our Constitution.

Have a little Faith in God.

Anonymous said...

OK so let me see if I get it.I rememember Donofrio slamming the entire concept that these grand juries would be as contemptuous of the Constitution as Obama.Is this a new effort with better legal interpretation?

Anonymous said...

Wrong again!

The Honorable Leo Donofrio, Esquire, was the Lawyer who first raised the concept of using Grand Juries.

That Russia Lawyer did do some things that many if not most other Lawyers thought was as you say "contemptuous."

Aristotle The Hun said...

The GJ Leo D. took exception to was based on the Magna Carta and had some antiquated language that had to do with the GJ going after offenders with their own authority,

The American Grand Jury has the U.S. Constitution as its premise And has nothing to do with the Russian attorney.

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P. Revere said...

You've just got to love those who would be so divisive...
I wanted to thank you for posting this IPORTANT message and I do hope you will continue the wonderful job you're doing. It is a service to all of us who are intimately involved in getting resolution to the USURPER in the Oval Office. Please contact me at your earliest convenience.

Carl Swensson

Anonymous said...

I was being inclusive not divisive.

Anonymous said...

Ok..so the american Grand jury is a good idea because it uses the Constitution as its legal basis and does not seek "relief" which could be forceful in nature.Also Donofrio's original idea of the Grand/jury/5th pillar is aligned with the American Grand Jury is doing.Am I getting it now?

Aristotle The Hun said...

"If the American Grand Jury is not associated with Orly Taitz then why is she the only attorney linked to on the AGJ website?"

Send me an email or call me and I will explain the behind the scenes maneuvering.

Last I checked the TX grand Jury was listed.

I understand your concerns but I am not about to discuss it in public. Too many unfriendly lurkers.

Aristotle The Hun said...

"Am I getting it now?"

Yup! There is lots more so keep researching. Have you seen: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/important-grand-juries-dont-need.html

Anonymous said...

As a disclaimer, let me say I am a lawyer not associated with any of these Grand Jury plans.

It seems to me that the best approach would be Citizen Grand Juries formed along the lines of Leo's approach stated in his article here in local County Seats throughout the United States.

The online grand jury can be good for educating potential grand jurors so that they can form grand juries in their local County Seats.

Leo the Lawyer said...

The 1st, 9th, 10th Amendments clearly say what they say.

The 11th is sort of like the "Natural Born Citizen" Phrase, you have to read it with a late 18th Century mind to understand it, but if you do it too is easy.

To paraphrase Chief Justice Roberts, the Constitution is not that hard to understand.

Just keep it simple.

Leo the Lawyer said...

"Ok..so the american Grand jury is a good idea because it uses the Constitution as its legal basis and does not seek "relief" which could be forceful in nature.Also Donofrio's original idea of the Grand/jury/5th pillar is aligned with the American Grand Jury is doing.Am I getting it now?"

YES!!!

Anonymous said...

Mensa called. They're revoking your membership.

This is extremely shoddy "analysis." Any "subpoena" sent by one of these "grand juries" will be duly ignored, and no court (certainly not SCOTUS) is going to help to enforce it.

Anonymous said...

Exactly, anonymous, go ahead and make our day!

Where shall we send the offer that you can't refuse?

Any Lawyer advising you to ignore our subpoenas is a fool.

Anonymous said...

P.S.

If you are SO confident that SCOTUS will "(certainly not SCOTUS) is going to help to enforce it."

Then why bother to post here. And why is BO paying that DUMB FOOL bauer millions to try and keep BO out of jail if SCOTUS will "certainly not" send BO there?

Aristotle The Hun said...

"Mensa called. They're revoking your membership."

The article wasn't written by me. It was written by a constitutional lawyer. He doesn't belong to Mensa. He belongs to the bar association.

But then you know more than both of us, right?

Anonymous said...

"Does SCOTUS then still have to have 4 justices willing to hear the case?" More than 4, a majority ready, willing and able to rule against BO, IMHO without any ex parte knowledge whatsoever.

"I'm signed up for CG and cheering wildly from the sidelines." Thank you for your Service for Our Country!

"Nothing that has been submitted to SCOTUS has been taken seriously yet." Sorry but you are wrong about this. IMHO SCOTUS takes BO's allegedly illegal conduct VERY SERIOUSLY.

"Also, looking at my state constitution it says something to the effect that only a Superior court judge can appoint a grand jury." Your State Constitution does not trump the US Constitution which is the Supreme Law of the Land. Your State must of had some mighty DUMB lawyers write that constitution.

Would we first have to prove that unconstitutional at state level to proceed? No, just bring it, SCOTUS will advise your State's DUMB lawyers of the error of their opinions.

Anonymous said...

The article wasn't written by me.But you posted it, "genius."


It was written by a constitutional lawyer.What a fancy self-awarded title!

What other great works of constitutional research has this "scholar" written?


But then you know more than both of us, right?Looks that way.

Aristotle The Hun said...

Are you under thirty and still being supported by your parents.

Maybe it would help if you knew that food your parents buy you does not contain the nutrients that will help you mature. Only food you buy with your own money will help you mature.

blogordie said...

Certainly citizens can form grand juries, and those grand juries have a right to petition the government.

However, a group who labels itself a "grand jury" does not gain any legal power beyond another group of people who labels itself a "book club".

Anonymous said...

Another joke 4 U, blogordie!

http://defendourfreedoms.net/2009/04/21/defendourfreedomsus--new-rico-case.aspx#comment-2014795

Aristotle The Hun said...

I try not to express opinions. I wrote a whole book without one opinion in it. If I didn't have a scientific citation to back up what I said I didn't say it.

How people like blogordie feel so free to just express opinions out of thin air is beyond my comprehension.

Mt guess is he has done no research on the issue or he couldn't have such a baseless opinion. I doubt he even read the article he commented upon.

Anonymous said...

Mt guess is he has done no research on the issue or he couldn't have such a baseless opinion.Oh the irony.

Leo the "Lawyer" (oh, is he now?) cites four amendments -- none of which discuss grand juries -- and from that concludes that these "grand juries" don't need judicial approval. Is that solid research?

Where are the citations to cases, treatises, scholarly articles, etc.?

If anyone has a baseless opinion, it is this elusive "Leo."

Leo the Lawyer said...

Anonymous the Know Nothing,

The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.

If you want more citations call or write:

Bob Bauer
607 Fourteenth Street N.W.
Washington, D.C.
20005-2003

PHONE: 202.628.6600

FAX: 202.434.1690

Leo the Lawyer said...

Anonymous the Know Nothing,

Did you get that? Fyi Bauer is BHO's Lawyer. No doubt he can testify to all the information.

I can't answer for Aristotle but I would love to have Mr. Bauer give testimony here as long as he states his full name for the record.

Bob Bauer
607 Fourteenth Street N.W.
Washington, D.C.
20005-2003

PHONE: 202.628.6600

FAX: 202.434.1690

Aristotle The Hun said...

Annonymous

Unbelievable stupidity and you display it to the public.

It is because Grand Juries are not mentioned except for one place in the constitution that Grand Juries are a power retained by the people.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous the Know Nothing,

Go here and click on #6 for a profile of the Power Couple Bob Bauer and Anita DUNN Bauer.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/176833?GT1=43002

But you better hurry because it appears that Perkins-Coie, the FIRM is doing some scrubbing, house cleaning, you know what I mean Anonymous the Know Nothing?

Anonymous the Know Nothing,

Did you get that? Fyi Bauer is BHO's Lawyer. No doubt he can testify to all the information.

I can't answer for Aristotle but I would love to have Mr. Bauer give testimony here as long as he states his full name for the record.

Bob Bauer
607 Fourteenth Street N.W.
Washington, D.C.
20005-2003

PHONE: 202.628.6600

FAX: 202.434.1690

Anonymous said...

Anonymous the Know Nothing,

Does Bob Bauer still work for The FIRM?

The FIRM Perkins-Coie
607 Fourteenth Street N.W.
Washington, D.C.
20005-2003

PHONE: 202.628.6600

FAX: 202.434.1690

Anonymous said...

1) Find the CROOKED politicians in your City or Town that supported BO.

2) Link these CROOKED politicians to crimes committed by the BO Campaign.

3) Charge CROOKED politicians and BO as co-conspirators in the commission of campaign crimes and you have a Criminal Case against BO that can be prosecuted in Court in your County Seat.

4) Of course, you add all the other Crimes that BO committed elsewhere to your INDICTMENT also. But to prosecute BO in your State you have to link him as a co-conspirator to crimes committed in your State.

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable stupidity and you display it to the public.O RLY?

I will bet you your Mensa membership that nothing, but nothing, ever comes of these "grand juries."


It is because Grand Juries are not mentioned except for one place in the constitution that Grand Juries are a power retained by the people.That's a "novel" reading of the 10th Amendment. Too bad no one else sees it that way.

Leo the great "constitutional lawyer" can't even cite a single case or article to back up his position.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous the Know Nothing,

Does Bob Bauer still work for The FIRM?

The FIRM Perkins-Coie
607 Fourteenth Street N.W.
Washington, D.C.
20005-2003

PHONE: 202.628.6600

FAX: 202.434.1690

Leo the Lawyer said...

Anonymous the Know Nothing,

Please forgive me for not getting this Citation to you sooner, but I have so little time for FOOLS. Give my regards to Bob Bauer.

Please cite, We the People v Barack Hussein Obama et al

You too Anonymous the Know Nothing can be a Defendant in the We the People case and you don't have to pay a dime for that privilege.

Best Regards,

Leo the Constitutional Lawyer

Anonymous said...

1) Find the CROOKED politicians in your City or Town that supported BO.

2) Link these CROOKED politicians to crimes committed by the BO Campaign.

3) Charge CROOKED politicians and BO as co-conspirators in the commission of campaign crimes and you have a Criminal Case against BO that can be prosecuted in Court in your County Seat.

4) Of course, you add all the other Crimes that BO committed elsewhere to your INDICTMENT also. But to prosecute BO in your State you have to link him as a co-conspirator to crimes committed in your State.

Anonymous said...

You write:

"The plan is to exercise one's constitutional rights, not ask the judges what those rights are. Decide and act and see if they can stop you."

THEY CAN AND WILL STOP YOU! Please do some actual legal research before encouraging this behavior. In many states forging a subpeona and then attempting to serve said forged subpeona appears to be a crime! For at least one example, see Texas Penal Code, TITLE 8.
specifically 32.48 (Simulating Legal Process) and 37.10 (Tampering with Governmental Record). See also: the definitions in 37.01, including subpoena as a governmental record. What you are proposing is apparently a crime, at least in Texas and likely in other states as well.

Texas Penal Code can be found here:

http://tlo2TX .tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/pe.toc.htm

Anonymous said...

"In many states forging a subpeona..." No one other than you has said anything about "forging a subpeona."

Furthermore, the only people involved in the Mysterious Case of BO that have forged documents are BO & his co-conspirators. Are you one of BO's co-conspirators?

Regarding your questions about relevance of State laws, again, THE US CONSTITUTION IS THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND!

Why is that so hard for you BO co-conspirators to understand, did you all study Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago when BO was temping as an instructor?

Aristotle The Hun said...

Given the significant increase in warnings and delusional, irrational, obscene, threatening comments from Obama supporters I would conclude that they think the Grand Jury tactic is a real threat.

Finally, something we can agree upon!